Another Attack on the American DAD!
You're not gonna believe THIS ONE!
Mass. Debates Birth Certificates for Babies of Same-Sex Couples
BOSTON Â Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (search) says babies born to couples of the same sex should be given amended birth certificates, but supporters of gay marriage who want to change those certificates say the governor's formula for doing so is wrong
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"I'm opposed to taking the Massachusetts birth certificate and removing the term 'Mother' and 'Father' and substituting 'Parent A' and 'Parent B,'" Romney said. "Look, each child has a mother and a father. They should have the right to have that mother and father known to them and that's something I'd like to preserve on a birth certificate."
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RIDICULOUS! There is a reason that a birth certificate names the NATURAL PARENTS! Even in the event of an adoption, we name the BIRTH MOTHER AND BIRTH FATHER on the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Here's the kicker- FOR A REASON! What a bunch of numbnuts! Yes, I used the term numbnuts. Let's follow this train of thought for just a moment. If the TRUE IDENTITY of the mother and father are not relevant, but just the PERCEIVED or WISHED IDENTITY of the mother and father, oops- I mean Parent 'A' and Parent 'B', why not write down the name of your best friend or roommate? Does this mean I can name anyone I want as the father too? Maybe I wanna pick Mel Gibson as Father. Or maybe I have a thing for Darth Vader. I heard Brad Pitt wanted kids...............
These people have finally flipped. They want to defy nature at every turn and try to recreate the world to be as they WANT it, not as it is. Did you know that a mule (the cross between a horse and a donkey) is almost always sterile? Why do you think incest increases risks of infertility and health defects? It is AGAINST the INTENT of the CREATOR- that's why! This is EXACTLY the argument I use when debating with those that are against interraciall marriage. The offspring of mixed races do NOT run a higher risk of health defects or infertility.
Mass. Debates Birth Certificates for Babies of Same-Sex Couples
BOSTON Â Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (search) says babies born to couples of the same sex should be given amended birth certificates, but supporters of gay marriage who want to change those certificates say the governor's formula for doing so is wrong
{snip}
"I'm opposed to taking the Massachusetts birth certificate and removing the term 'Mother' and 'Father' and substituting 'Parent A' and 'Parent B,'" Romney said. "Look, each child has a mother and a father. They should have the right to have that mother and father known to them and that's something I'd like to preserve on a birth certificate."
READ IT ALL!
RIDICULOUS! There is a reason that a birth certificate names the NATURAL PARENTS! Even in the event of an adoption, we name the BIRTH MOTHER AND BIRTH FATHER on the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Here's the kicker- FOR A REASON! What a bunch of numbnuts! Yes, I used the term numbnuts. Let's follow this train of thought for just a moment. If the TRUE IDENTITY of the mother and father are not relevant, but just the PERCEIVED or WISHED IDENTITY of the mother and father, oops- I mean Parent 'A' and Parent 'B', why not write down the name of your best friend or roommate? Does this mean I can name anyone I want as the father too? Maybe I wanna pick Mel Gibson as Father. Or maybe I have a thing for Darth Vader. I heard Brad Pitt wanted kids...............
These people have finally flipped. They want to defy nature at every turn and try to recreate the world to be as they WANT it, not as it is. Did you know that a mule (the cross between a horse and a donkey) is almost always sterile? Why do you think incest increases risks of infertility and health defects? It is AGAINST the INTENT of the CREATOR- that's why! This is EXACTLY the argument I use when debating with those that are against interraciall marriage. The offspring of mixed races do NOT run a higher risk of health defects or infertility.
posted by Straight Up with Sherri at
12:52 AM
19 Comments:
Did you read the important caveat that only lesbian couples have been affected by this issue?
Lesbian couples who give birth often do so with IVF and the father's identity is not known. Are you against IVF too?
By the way, you completely missed the bigger picture here. Romney is not allowing the state agencies to be self-consistent. These childen are quote possibly ending up with NO valid birth certificates, because of the cross-outs being made. So the state is effectively punishing the newborns here, mostly due to red tape.
If you're against same-sex marriage, so be it. But these kids are being born regardless of your views, and it's not fair to them to not have valid birth certificates. To think otherwise is being spiteful.
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Anonymous, at 4:17 AM
With IVF and all the other forms of Assisted Reproductive Technology, the donors can either be anonymous or known. With anonymous, only basic physical and physiological characteristics of the donor are revealed. With known donors, it's either a friend or someone who becomes your friend by way of introduction before selection.
Nowadays, about 80% of those using ART choose the anonymous method.
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Anonymous, at 11:38 AM
anon
I think YOU are missing the point. They want to change the actual birth certificate to read Parent A and Parent B- instead of mother and father.
In the case af a father being unidentifiable- there is no other choice, I get that.
We do agree on one thing for sure-
EVERY CHILD IS ENTITLED TO A VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
I guess where we may disagree is as to weather or not they are entitled to know the TRUE identity of their mother and father.
I believe everyone is entitled to know the identity of BOTH BIRTH PARENTS!
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Straight Up with Sherri, at 12:28 PM
I'm with Sherri too. I don't think the "Parent A, Parent B" thing cuts it.
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Anonymous, at 8:07 PM
Hospitals are already being told to cross out either "mother" or "father" and manually substitute "second parent" so the question whether one biological parent can be omitted in favor of a life partner seems to have been settled already.
Looking at the way birth certificates are handled in case of "traditionally" married couples it seems several states currently make allowances to list the husband as the father in case of IVF and in case of surrogacy the surrogate mother and her husband would be listed as natural parents under normal circumstances but there that can be changed as well.
So the stand should either be that you won't allow any exceptions for anyone or acknowledge that you don't care what names are listed as long as they're not the same gender.
Surprisingly none of the articles seems to mention it but I would guess it also helps establish a legal connection to the child in case something happens to the birth parent in which case it's definitely in the child's best interests to have the partner's name listed.
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Anonymous, at 9:04 PM
Apparently nobody here is familiar with what goes on with adoptions!
When a child is legally adopted (whether by heterosexual couples or not), the child's birth certificate is re-issued and the adoptive parents are listed as the natural parents. The original birth certificate is hidden away and can only be revealed via court order (but there's nothing on the 2nd birth certificate that indicates there's a 1st birth certificate).
It's been this way for a long long time.
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Anonymous, at 9:05 PM
And off-topic, congratulations to RWNJ on his new job :).
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Anonymous, at 9:08 PM
I also think Vanessa's last point is very important.
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Anonymous, at 9:10 PM
coaster
actually, I am VERY familiar with adoption. This is why I was careful to use the term ORIGINAL birth certificate. Thanks for adding the details and explaining it.
Does anyone else find it the least bit troublesome that we have come to the point in our society that THIS is an issue.
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Straight Up with Sherri, at 10:44 PM
I think there is a happy middle here. I do believe there should be an "original" one with the "egg doner" and "sperm doner" for medical reasons this seems very smart. But I also don't see anything wrong with a 2nd one being issued at the same time for "parent A and Parent B". I am sure it means alot to some "parents". I also must add that I am straight but see nothing wrong with people of the same sex being married. I think it is sad that a same sex couple can be in love and live as one for 20, 30 40 or even 50 years but cant get married and share the same benefits as my husband and I. By saying the can't get married is saying that thier love is wrong , who am I or you or the government to say this to someone (of legal ages). It is sad that 2 people of the same sex who love each other cant share that in every way (including benefits and so on) but I could marry a guy off the street that I dont even know and all would say its ok because we are not the same sex.
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Anonymous, at 1:04 AM
It is AGAINST the INTENT of the CREATOR
This same creator has givin us all FREE WILL. I try to live my life by the bible as i think it is meant. But I also think God gave us all free will to follow his word or not. For 2 men or 2 women to live life as a couple do so by Gods power to give them free will. Even though I disagree with it I also don't raise my voice to say they are wrong because they have a right to do as they please. I can let them know I and God disagree with them but also have to let them make thier own choices. If your truely belive this then you have to also go further and say if a couple can't have a child without medical help to get pregnant then they are going against Gods wishes. If they can't get pregnant on thier own doesn't this mean it is Gods will for them not to have children?
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Anonymous, at 9:06 AM
Sherri -
Gay Patriot agrees with you, too ...
Gay Patriot: Child A?
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Anonymous, at 9:35 AM
The first comment in his blog starts off with a good point...
If it weren't for the fact that G&L parents are required to prove their parentage to register their children for things like school and medical insurance coverage, nomenclature changes that seem silly to you wouldn't exist.
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Anonymous, at 1:32 PM
I do not think it is right for a birth certificate to have parent A and parent B on it. I think both parents name should be on the birth certificate even if parents are both males or both females. I am not for gay marriages, but I am not against any thing that make other people happy. Since I am not that way, I am not going to hate another person because they are that way. The world has to realize that people have to do what make them happy and that just cause you do not do it doesn't make it wrong or right.(TB8068)
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Anonymous, at 2:58 PM
The future is now.
Pro-Lifers Rage as British Scientists Unveil Stem-Cell Children Produced from Gay Partners
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Anonymous, at 4:15 AM
The line separating what's right and what's wrong has almost been erased.
SBG3301
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Anonymous, at 10:01 PM
I think that people are making this more of an issue because of the allowances that gay couples wanted to be granted. I was also under the impression that when a child is adopted that the birth certificate is to list the adoptive parents instead of the birth parents. I have also seen instances where if a father(and I am sure it is the same for the mother) gives up his parental rights or is stripped of them by the courts, the acting father would be named on the birth certificate (this is an adoption also). therefore it really isn'ta n issue if the same sexers are named on the birth certificate as parent a & b. I mean the child would know that they had to have come from a man and woman, so it's up to them to get access to the original birth info just as if they were adopted by a heterosexual couple. We are being hard on the gay couples on this subject I think because some don't really believe that its in the best interest of the child to grow up in a same sex household. dn8944
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Anonymous, at 1:40 AM
This shouldnt even be a debateable topic. BIRTH CERTIFICATES??? What is there to argue over birth certificates. Only people that should be listed on the birth certificate should be the people who either had sex to produce the child, or if a sperm donor was used, he and the mother should be listed. Homosexual couples CANT HAVE CHILDREN.. i dont care how much surgery you go through its not possible. Therefore the natural parents have all the rights to have their names lsted on the birth certificate.
DLM1930
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Anonymous, at 8:57 PM
Someone in this blog state that "It's against the intent of the creator", well a lot of things are. War are against the creaters intent, adultry are against the creaters intent, but guess what . . . we do it any way. What Same Sex Adopting couples are asking is just that their children's birth certificate recognized them as a normal family and not a family with some kind of "special condition". - D.R. 6868
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Anonymous, at 8:02 PM
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